I refuse to call this a Mustang

"The man in the iron mask" (Themanintheironmask) 12/05/2013 at 04:53 • Filed to: None

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this, (below) is a mustang

you just don't mess with one cars heritage. Look at these porsche

Squid > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 04:57

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Hey, just be happy that the nonfunctional scoops are gone.

Sorry for stepping on your lawn. . .

But I will say that I don't know what I think of it yet, I'll reserve my judgement until I see one out in the wild. But I'm not yet a fan of it either, and it isn't the front that bothers me, it is that sloping rear end.

YSI-what can brown do for you > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 05:01

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I know the live rear axle was from the 60s, but once the Mustang loses that. . . it just isn't a Mustang.

The man in the iron mask > Squid 12/05/2013 at 05:04

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The rear end grew on me, i liked the tail lights are 3d like one of the 69 mustang had

cluelessk > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 05:12

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inb4 Victorious Secret comes to defend the new Mustang.

Tentacle, Dutchman, drives French > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 05:16

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The Porsche 911 lost it's air-cooled engine. Well, the 911 is still with us. Harley Davidsons lost their air-cooled V-twins too. But those are still with us too.

Citroën, once known for it's Magic Carpet Ride hydaulic/pneumatic suspension, is mostly phasing that out too. That gets me personally, because I grew up with Citroëns with the handgrenade-like nitrogen pressure spheres under the hood. But it will survive.

Mustang to loose it's solid rear axle? It will survive too.

Change. It's a bitch. Well, tough, adapt or (proverbially) die.

The man in the iron mask > Tentacle, Dutchman, drives French 12/05/2013 at 05:20

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IRS was a must if Ford wants to compete against the Camaro, but styling didn't hurt anybody. Porsche still is a rear engine boxer... and no one uses air cooled engines anymore. Its like saying, leave carburetors on the mustang.

SLR999 > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 05:52

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Aaannnddd this these are Mustangs, too.

SLR999 > YSI-what can brown do for you 12/05/2013 at 05:58

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As someone who grew up with a Mustang, now drives a Mustang, you're wrong?

I hate that what was simply a cost-cutting solution at the time has become a rallying cry for traditionalists. Should we remove seatbelts, traction control, and add whitewalls in the new Mustang because tradition ?

YSI-what can brown do for you > SLR999 12/05/2013 at 06:02

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It is kind of like Porsche's rear engine design, or Lambos high mounted V12s, both bad designs that companies try to make work. Same with the rear axle with the Mustang. Plus seatbelts and traction control don't get in the way of the driving experience, and I would love to see whitewalls on a modern Mustang.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 06:10

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Well, tough shit for you then. You can either accept it or lose yourself in the agony of your delusions.

The man in the iron mask > SLR999 12/05/2013 at 06:29

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You didnt get the point. Watch the porsches again.
Those 99 mustangs were awesome before the 05 retro styling came.

The man in the iron mask > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 12/05/2013 at 06:31

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You're not going to tell me that it looks like a mustang to you? don't look at the 5.0 logo ,nor the wheels

The man in the iron mask > YSI-what can brown do for you 12/05/2013 at 06:36

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I totally agree. Some people dont get us, but well its their opinion. I just wish the Mustang still looked like one on its 50th anniversary.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 06:39

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So you're picking and choosing select style elements to say it's not a Mustang?

If you want to evaluate the front bumper side profile, What about the S197 relative to the Fox Body? does it make the former not a Mustang because it doesn't look like the latter at all?

A product is always more than the sum of all its parts. Don't be stuck in the past, or else it will impede your progress. Ford is in the business of cars, not a hobby.

If you're so adamant the styling should change, do something about... Sue Ford, or become a Ford executive or whatever

The man in the iron mask > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 12/05/2013 at 06:51

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So then what you're saying is Porsche got it all wrong with the 911, they are stuck in the past. because they haven't changed Rear engine, nor styling. What about the competition, 2014 Camaro Z28, they are following Chevrolet's Heritage.
Corvette's overhead valve engine? its not usual, but Chevy got it to work perfectly.

And why do you mention the the Fox body, it looked like shit. Mustangs like the boss are the ones the s197 is based on.

OkCars- 22k Crossroads > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 12/05/2013 at 06:57

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Ford is in the business of cars... No shit sherlock.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 07:15

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Hell no, I'm not saying that at all about Porsche..... they persevere with their styling because people still buy it and it works for them while still meeting regulations across the world where the product is sold... the same way you're saying about the Camaro.

I mentioned the Fox Body because it's undeniably a Mustang regardless of preceding iterations. It's arguably the most influential Mustang... It's certainly the most cheap, the most fun to mod out.... The Fox Body is definitely a Ford icon and some can argue even more so than the original one and 2nd gen

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > OkCars- 22k Crossroads 12/05/2013 at 07:20

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Of course... it's not readily apparent fanboys see that as a given.

Are you a fanboy of anything? Have you ever decried the company of which you are fanboy for any recent stuff they've released? Do you also refuse to acknowledge those products because they don't fall in line with their past as neatly envisioned in your mind?

Shit, I've been guilty of that too....but I do get over it very quickly and let the sales numbers speak for themselves..... I remember when BMW released the E9x series of 3ers.... Everyone says it looked like ass and it was porky and it wouldn't sell at all..then BMW set record 3-series numbers with it....Boom and shakalaka

OkCars- 22k Crossroads > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 12/05/2013 at 07:29

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You need to start taking your rants somewhere else.

The Transporter > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 08:09

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By your definition, these

aren't Mustangs, but they still sold like hotcakes. And this

Looks nothing like this

but I don't see Corvette fanboys complaining.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > OkCars- 22k Crossroads 12/05/2013 at 08:10

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Probably not....I've always been adamant sales numbers are the major judge of a successful product...

I'm pretty notorious for that around here since 2009

Kookanoodles > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 08:40

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And in 5 years, you'll complain that the 11th generation Mustang isn't a real one, like the good old 2015 model.

Nibbles > The Transporter 12/05/2013 at 08:49

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You don't see Corvette fanboys complaining?

You don't get out much, do you ;)

The Transporter > Nibbles 12/05/2013 at 08:53

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You mean about this?

The silence from those crying fanboys has been deafening since they hit dealer lots.

Nibbles > The Transporter 12/05/2013 at 08:53

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(I was being facetious)

William Byrd > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 09:03

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Personally I think the 911 "evolution" is like watching grass grow. It's boring. It's a great car but I would not put it up there as the stalwart for design greatness. They (Porsche) had a good design decades ago and have been too scared to change it. Kudos to Ford for bringing the Mustang into this century (and I love Mustangs, own a 2003, and also had a 1993, another 2003, a 2010 and a 2011). Personally I love it, great long hood, short rear design, classic proportions.

But as others have said, it's not really up to you.

Victorious Secret > The Transporter 12/05/2013 at 09:09

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Exactly.

The fanboys.

The ones automakers don't give a fuck about.

Victorious Secret > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 12/05/2013 at 09:12

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Just stop man, you'll never win with the Fanboy Circlejerk.

I respected the now former Mustang, but this is the first one apart from the Cobra Rs/Terminators that I'd actually put money towards. I like it, I guess that means I'm a commie.

And his 911 comparison is flawed at best. The current 911 is more of an antithesis s to what the old 911 was about, yet I don't see the market that actually spends money doing much bitching about it. Keyword being, spends money.

Ford doesn't give a shit if they upset a few thousand fanboys so long as they get ten thousand sales from interested parties who were considering a Camaro but say this and went "Oh hello there"

Party-vi > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 09:15

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So this is a Mustang:

And this:

And this:

But not this:

Because it doesn't look like this:

What are you, high or blind?

pauljones > Tentacle, Dutchman, drives French 12/05/2013 at 09:30

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At the risk of being pedantic, Harley-Davidson has not lost its air-cooled V-twins. At all.

Tentacle, Dutchman, drives French > pauljones 12/05/2013 at 10:31

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Ok, perhaps pushed it too far in exagerating that point.

Still, the story goes that HD did have contact with Porsche in how to manage the transition from air-cooled to water cooled. If only for some makes/models of their bikes. Before that, HD pretty much was an air-cooled V-twin. That's no longer a given.

philipilihp > The Transporter 12/05/2013 at 10:35

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That last image did show me that the Corvette finally got it's braces back! Or... upgraded from braces to retainer.

Victorious Secret > YSI-what can brown do for you 12/05/2013 at 10:45

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The Mustang has had IRS long before this one and guess what? As a car it made the Germans look twice on a track. It wasn't cost beneficial then on those platforms, it has become so now.

A Mustang GT with LRA nearly handed the M3 its ass on a track. Ford stated they would never change to IRS unless they could make it even better, so now imagine how lethal of a car this will be for track rats?

Victorious Secret > Party-vi 12/05/2013 at 10:45

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Stupid.

You can say stupid Party, it is okay to say the 'S' word, especially here on hallowed Oppo.

I'm blind. I'm not stupid. Because even a blind person knows its a Mustang.

SLR999 > YSI-what can brown do for you 12/05/2013 at 11:17

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No, as another poster said, it's like air-cooled engines in 911s, or manual Ferraris.

Cars have moved on. But no one would argue that water-cooled 911s or dual-clutch Ferraris aren't the real deal when they're so good . You would turn down a 997 GT3 RS4.0, or a 458 Italia?

YSI-what can brown do for you > Victorious Secret 12/05/2013 at 12:14

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Which mustang independent rear suspension? I am assuming one of the ones in the 80s.

YSI-what can brown do for you > SLR999 12/05/2013 at 12:19

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I wouldn't turn either car down, but it their older brothers come around, then it is all over. A Testarossa and a 993 GT2 are just a few dream cars.

Personally, the placement of the engine is more important than how it is cooled as that is what will determine how the car drives. Granted the water cooled one won't sound as awesome. And as for the gated shifter, although I would love one, they probably wouldn't sell much as their customer base consists of rappers.

Victorious Secret > YSI-what can brown do for you 12/05/2013 at 12:55

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The Cobra Rs, Terminators. 1999-2004 they were made, but the Cobras of then were like the Boss 302s of now.

Ford knew it worked then on the platform but for a price. And they didn't feel compelled to sell it till now, and they're only doing it now because this is a global car. If Ford didn't give a shit about European snobbery they'd keep the LRA.

SLR999 > YSI-what can brown do for you 12/05/2013 at 14:49

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To each his own. I'd take a GT3 of any gen over the 993, even if the latter was better looking. And I believe when someone like Steve Sutcliffe says a 458 Speciale is the most fun Ferrari. Ever.

Cars are more than the sum of their parts. And the Mustang is more than an axle.

The man in the iron mask > Party-vi 12/05/2013 at 15:10

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No, designers were high, and youre picking the malaise era. What do did you expect.

The man in the iron mask > William Byrd 12/05/2013 at 15:13

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You have had many mustangs, cool, i have a 2008, and looking to buy a 2014.

Party-vi > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 15:14

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:/ you can't pick the ones you want. Now you sound like a Jeep guy:

1987 - The YJ isn't a Wrangler the CJ is!

1997 - The TJ isn't a Wrangler the YJ is!

2007 - The JK isn't a Wrangler the TJ is!

The man in the iron mask > Kookanoodles 12/05/2013 at 15:15

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Maybe

YSI-what can brown do for you > Victorious Secret 12/05/2013 at 15:18

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I love European cars, but they do incite douchery. Hopefully, they will keep the badassery of the Mustang still intact. The chain smoking, mullet haired, unshowered badass. If they do make a twin turbo coyote V8, then it might just do.

William Byrd > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 15:19

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My 2011 was fantastic, so a 2014 would be pretty great I'm guessing. And they probably just got cheaper today!

The man in the iron mask > The Transporter 12/05/2013 at 15:19

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Yeah those are not good looking mustangs. The GM guys nailed it at making a different corvette that people can accept. Ford didn't. I dont care if you like it, check Fords facebook, check other websites youre going to count more than 200 ugly, and 30 nices.

The man in the iron mask > William Byrd 12/05/2013 at 15:21

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I hope so, Its the one i liked with the retro style, the 2015 rear looks real good like mustang 69 tail lights , but the front doesn't convince me.

The man in the iron mask > Party-vi 12/05/2013 at 15:24

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Well truth is many people dislike the 2015. Go read the comments on the Mustangs facebook page, other websites. I will need to get used to it, but seriously 2014 looks better.

Party-vi > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 15:36

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Bah. Enthusiasts fear change. I don't think there's ever been a new generation released that die-hard fans didn't hate.

Kookanoodles > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 15:53

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I guess it's inevitable, we eventually get used to all changes. Hell, I kinda miss the Aston Cygnet now that it's gone, and I used to loathe that thing. But I'll admit that on the picture you posted, the new Mustang's front does look weird.

The man in the iron mask > Party-vi 12/05/2013 at 16:17

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Well i know everybody loved the s197 when it came out. and until the 2013 changes, it has still been amazing.

The Transporter > The man in the iron mask 12/05/2013 at 17:53

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You know what counts? Sales figures count. You know what doesn't count? A facebook poll. The squeaky wheel always gets the grease and haters always squeak the loudest. If the 2015 Mustang doesn't outsell the Camaro in the same year as well as the last few years of Mustang sales, I'll eat my shoe.

The man in the iron mask > The Transporter 12/05/2013 at 19:18

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I didnt mention the sales, i just said that mustang doesnt look like one. And they were on the right track. a year ago

PardonMyFlemish16 > The man in the iron mask 12/06/2013 at 08:34

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The Mustang's design heritage is that it has no design heritage. There is no continuity.